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under federal law to notify the legislative branch that, fact, they are going to come up against the deadline, precisely why it is -- >> uses the phrase default. we are not going -- the u.s. government isn't going pay its debts. we are going to be like greece. that was -- everybody -- both sides, by the way, republicans and democrats, both used the phrase default. you know perfectly well how it works in the government. you can make choices. >> i hate to break the news to you but -- i don't think anyone other than watching cnbc anyone actually cares and nobody believes the federal government will not pay social security or other debts. >> are you kidding me? i think they do. that's what they start with. right? start with the social security checks aren't going to go out. then -- what do people do, call their congressmen? the elderly get frightened. they think they won't have their weekly paychecks. >> this would not be the first time anyone from the executive branch tried to scare senior sit sense what do we do? we are going over the cliff. do you think we are going over cliff? >>
the solution to the problem enacted into law. >> that might be the strategy. in other words, small increments on a monthly or bimonthly basis, instead of holding up the debt and defaulting, which would drop our credit, you're saying the gop may call for small increments until a real spending cut package can be worked out. is that the strategy? >> that would be my strategy. i would love to solve this problem by the end of february early march. that's not going to happen because president obama is utterly unwilling to rein in the size of government. we're going to have to message, message, message. pound home that point. maybe do something incrementally, message again. give something. continue concessions until we fix this problem once and for all. >> senator ron johnson, sir, happy new year. as always, thank you for joining us. >> same to you. have a good night. >>> in yet another sizzling story tonight, the question is whether john boehner is in danger of losing his job as speaker of the house. the conservative rumor mill is just running wild over this. that's not all mr. boehner is getting h
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